Discussion:
Cowardly Muslims?
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Tra Lala
2010-09-08 13:27:25 UTC
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Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?

Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Cactus Pete
2010-09-08 14:14:16 UTC
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Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Cowards, every one. And stupid. They delude themselves into
thinking there will be 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven.
Post by Tra Lala
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
The people who make excuses for Muslims are stupid and
cowardly. By the time they figure out how wrong they are
it will be to late.
Taq.I.To
2010-09-08 15:22:55 UTC
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Post by Cactus Pete
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Cowards, every one. And stupid. They delude themselves into
thinking there will be 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven.
Post by Tra Lala
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
The people who make excuses for Muslims are stupid and
cowardly. By the time they figure out how wrong they are
it will be to late.
Guess who's in the lead in the stupid Olympics...again...

http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2010/August/Islamization-of-Paris-a-Warning-to-the-West/


They seem to have learned NOTHING from their last roll-over for the Nazis.
Taq.I.To
2010-09-08 15:19:09 UTC
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Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Or just stupidity.
Post by Tra Lala
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Cowardly.
bosco
2010-09-09 01:57:32 UTC
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Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.

When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the
first people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks
and Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity.
Jump forward a few hundred years.

If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and
formost Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or
Priest. They will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true
statement. Hence the Crusades for example.

These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.

If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
Taq.I.To
2010-09-09 15:49:36 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that
order...
bosco
2010-09-09 18:24:45 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
Taq.I.To
2010-09-09 20:18:38 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not
throwing;-)
bosco
2010-09-09 23:21:49 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not throwing;-)
Once again from their point of view. Their laws are to ensure that a
Man's son is indeed his son, and not another man's son. Some of those
families can trace their family tree for a thousand years or more.

In Europe women of note were required to wear chastity belts. In
general they were never left alone with another man, or men that were
not close family.

If you happened to have an estate of note, and it is to be passed on
only to the oldest son and there was no dna or other testing, how
would you ensure that the oldest son is yours and not an enemies child
as part of a lifetime plot against you?

In general, that is the way we all do it. No one lets their wife be
around men in private if it can be helped. Henry the 8'th is the most
known for having more than one wife executed for adultry, real or not.
It was a common practice among nobility in Europe in the dark ages, and
not because it was true.

I agree with your pov, but it helps to put yourself in their place.
They are barely out of the bronze age for the most part. If a man only
has a house and land to pass on he wants to know it is going to his son
and not another man's child. How else can a society create and enforce
laws to make is likely as possible a male child is your child?

From a high level, every woman in their country knows the rules of
married life. As stupid as it seems, if a man commits a felony crime
and is found guilty, it is possible his wife will be killed or sent to
prison for the crime. China is a shining example of why this is so; men
are more valuable for the continuation of the population than women
because men protect territory, win new territory, bring home the meat,
etc. Women bear and raise children.

I agree with you, it is not right and no one should be stoned to
death, but with all the inequities here and all over the world, it is
just another case of something that should not be allowed to happen
happening. Fortunately for us, we do not live under that system of
justice.
Taq.I.To
2010-09-10 02:07:56 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not throwing;-)
Once again from their point of view. Their laws are to ensure that a
Man's son is indeed his son, and not another man's son. Some of those
families can trace their family tree for a thousand years or more.
Yes, and their insane grudges for the same length of time...
Post by bosco
In Europe women of note were required to wear chastity belts. In general
they were never left alone with another man, or men that were not close
family.
There was also a little thing called the Reformation.
Post by bosco
If you happened to have an estate of note, and it is to be passed on
only to the oldest son and there was no dna or other testing, how would
you ensure that the oldest son is yours and not an enemies child as part
of a lifetime plot against you?
I try not to engage in too much stone age paranoia.
Post by bosco
In general, that is the way we all do it. No one lets their wife be
around men in private if it can be helped. Henry the 8'th is the most
known for having more than one wife executed for adultry, real or not.
It was a common practice among nobility in Europe in the dark ages, and
not because it was true.
I can't recall Abe Lincoln getting similarly tweaked.
Post by bosco
I agree with your pov, but it helps to put yourself in their place. They
are barely out of the bronze age for the most part. If a man only has a
house and land to pass on he wants to know it is going to his son and
not another man's child. How else can a society create and enforce laws
to make is likely as possible a male child is your child?
If you really think that the systemic misogyny of the Muslims is
centered just on estate purity you're off.

Women are property first, partners second.
Post by bosco
From a high level, every woman in their country knows the rules of
married life. As stupid as it seems, if a man commits a felony crime and
is found guilty, it is possible his wife will be killed or sent to
prison for the crime. China is a shining example of why this is so; men
are more valuable for the continuation of the population than women
because men protect territory, win new territory, bring home the meat,
etc. Women bear and raise children.
And that is legislated/ordered to quota.
Post by bosco
I agree with you, it is not right and no one should be stoned to death,
but with all the inequities here and all over the world, it is just
another case of something that should not be allowed to happen
happening. Fortunately for us, we do not live under that system of justice.
Fortunate we are.

And fortunate our women are they don't live in Japan either, eh?

Real evolved attitudes toward women there too, not...
bosco
2010-09-10 04:24:18 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by bosco
Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not throwing;-)
Once again from their point of view. Their laws are to ensure that a
Man's son is indeed his son, and not another man's son. Some of those
families can trace their family tree for a thousand years or more.
Yes, and their insane grudges for the same length of time...
Post by bosco
In Europe women of note were required to wear chastity belts. In general
they were never left alone with another man, or men that were not close
family.
There was also a little thing called the Reformation.
Post by bosco
If you happened to have an estate of note, and it is to be passed on
only to the oldest son and there was no dna or other testing, how would
you ensure that the oldest son is yours and not an enemies child as part
of a lifetime plot against you?
I try not to engage in too much stone age paranoia.
Post by bosco
In general, that is the way we all do it. No one lets their wife be
around men in private if it can be helped. Henry the 8'th is the most
known for having more than one wife executed for adultry, real or not.
It was a common practice among nobility in Europe in the dark ages, and
not because it was true.
I can't recall Abe Lincoln getting similarly tweaked.
Post by bosco
I agree with your pov, but it helps to put yourself in their place. They
are barely out of the bronze age for the most part. If a man only has a
house and land to pass on he wants to know it is going to his son and
not another man's child. How else can a society create and enforce laws
to make is likely as possible a male child is your child?
If you really think that the systemic misogyny of the Muslims is
centered just on estate purity you're off.
Women are property first, partners second.
Post by bosco
From a high level, every woman in their country knows the rules of
married life. As stupid as it seems, if a man commits a felony crime and
is found guilty, it is possible his wife will be killed or sent to
prison for the crime. China is a shining example of why this is so; men
are more valuable for the continuation of the population than women
because men protect territory, win new territory, bring home the meat,
etc. Women bear and raise children.
And that is legislated/ordered to quota.
Post by bosco
I agree with you, it is not right and no one should be stoned to death,
but with all the inequities here and all over the world, it is just
another case of something that should not be allowed to happen
happening. Fortunately for us, we do not live under that system of justice.
Fortunate we are.
And fortunate our women are they don't live in Japan either, eh?
Real evolved attitudes toward women there too, not...
They never asked for our approval, and they could care less what any of
us think about them and their way of life.
Taq.I.To
2010-09-10 04:32:38 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by bosco
Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not throwing;-)
Once again from their point of view. Their laws are to ensure that a
Man's son is indeed his son, and not another man's son. Some of those
families can trace their family tree for a thousand years or more.
Yes, and their insane grudges for the same length of time...
Post by bosco
In Europe women of note were required to wear chastity belts. In general
they were never left alone with another man, or men that were not close
family.
There was also a little thing called the Reformation.
Post by bosco
If you happened to have an estate of note, and it is to be passed on
only to the oldest son and there was no dna or other testing, how would
you ensure that the oldest son is yours and not an enemies child as part
of a lifetime plot against you?
I try not to engage in too much stone age paranoia.
Post by bosco
In general, that is the way we all do it. No one lets their wife be
around men in private if it can be helped. Henry the 8'th is the most
known for having more than one wife executed for adultry, real or not.
It was a common practice among nobility in Europe in the dark ages, and
not because it was true.
I can't recall Abe Lincoln getting similarly tweaked.
Post by bosco
I agree with your pov, but it helps to put yourself in their place. They
are barely out of the bronze age for the most part. If a man only has a
house and land to pass on he wants to know it is going to his son and
not another man's child. How else can a society create and enforce laws
to make is likely as possible a male child is your child?
If you really think that the systemic misogyny of the Muslims is
centered just on estate purity you're off.
Women are property first, partners second.
Post by bosco
From a high level, every woman in their country knows the rules of
married life. As stupid as it seems, if a man commits a felony crime and
is found guilty, it is possible his wife will be killed or sent to
prison for the crime. China is a shining example of why this is so; men
are more valuable for the continuation of the population than women
because men protect territory, win new territory, bring home the meat,
etc. Women bear and raise children.
And that is legislated/ordered to quota.
Post by bosco
I agree with you, it is not right and no one should be stoned to death,
but with all the inequities here and all over the world, it is just
another case of something that should not be allowed to happen
happening. Fortunately for us, we do not live under that system of justice.
Fortunate we are.
And fortunate our women are they don't live in Japan either, eh?
Real evolved attitudes toward women there too, not...
They never asked for our approval, and they could care less what any of
us think about them and their way of life.
So true.

Insight into women's real value in Japan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bukkake

(don't click if you have a weak stomach)
Cactus Pete
2010-09-10 10:58:01 UTC
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Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not throwing;-)
Once again from their point of view. Their laws are to ensure that a
Man's son is indeed his son, and not another man's son. Some of those
families can trace their family tree for a thousand years or more.
Their selective breeding habits haven't done them much good. In a
society like ours where there are so many bastard children around,
even if you don't publicly acknowledge the child as yours, you will
most likely want the child to succeed in life and will help them out
if you can. And when you have an affair with someone, even if a child
isn't conceived, you will usually have good feelings for them and
their family, whereas in Muslim countries they only like their own
children and relatives and to hell with everyone else unless it's
a family they want an alliance with. Arranged marriages without love
can breed contempt, anger, hatred which can translate into aggression
against non family members, and can begin a domino effect, that with
retribution and their long memories can continue until the end of time.
Post by bosco
In Europe women of note were required to wear chastity belts. In general
they were never left alone with another man, or men that were not close
family.
Close family never was a sure thing against infidelity.
Post by bosco
If you happened to have an estate of note, and it is to be passed on
only to the oldest son and there was no dna or other testing, how would
you ensure that the oldest son is yours and not an enemies child as part
of a lifetime plot against you?
In general, that is the way we all do it. No one lets their wife be
around men in private if it can be helped. Henry the 8'th is the most
known for having more than one wife executed for adultry, real or not.
It was a common practice among nobility in Europe in the dark ages, and
not because it was true.
I agree with your pov, but it helps to put yourself in their place. They
are barely out of the bronze age for the most part.
On Yahoo.com under Most e-mailed photos there were two pictures. One was
of a Sumatran orangutan and the other was of a Afghani man. I had to
look real close to see the difference between them.
Post by bosco
If a man only has a
house and land to pass on he wants to know it is going to his son and
not another man's child. How else can a society create and enforce laws
to make is likely as possible a male child is your child?
From a high level, every woman in their country knows the rules of
married life. As stupid as it seems, if a man commits a felony crime and
is found guilty, it is possible his wife will be killed or sent to
prison for the crime.
It's good to have more than one wife for times like that. If someone
hates you they don't always go after the man, they kidnap a daughter
and rape them, then let the family kill the daughter because she was
raped.

China is a shining example of why this is so; men
Post by bosco
are more valuable for the continuation of the population than women
because men protect territory, win new territory, bring home the meat,
etc. Women bear and raise children.
I agree with you, it is not right and no one should be stoned to death,
I don't think men get stoned to death for adultery in Pakistan and
other Muslim countries. A woman doesn't have a chance if she's caught.
Post by bosco
but with all the inequities here and all over the world, it is just
another case of something that should not be allowed to happen
happening. Fortunately for us, we do not live under that system of justice.
bosco
2010-09-10 15:09:35 UTC
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Post by bosco
Post by bosco
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Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not throwing;-)
Once again from their point of view. Their laws are to ensure that a
Man's son is indeed his son, and not another man's son. Some of those
families can trace their family tree for a thousand years or more.
Their selective breeding habits haven't done them much good. In a
society like ours where there are so many bastard children around,
even if you don't publicly acknowledge the child as yours, you will
most likely want the child to succeed in life and will help them out
if you can. And when you have an affair with someone, even if a child
isn't conceived, you will usually have good feelings for them and
their family, whereas in Muslim countries they only like their own
children and relatives and to hell with everyone else unless it's
a family they want an alliance with. Arranged marriages without love
can breed contempt, anger, hatred which can translate into aggression
against non family members, and can begin a domino effect, that with
retribution and their long memories can continue until the end of time.
Post by bosco
In Europe women of note were required to wear chastity belts. In general
they were never left alone with another man, or men that were not close
family.
Close family never was a sure thing against infidelity.
Post by bosco
If you happened to have an estate of note, and it is to be passed on
only to the oldest son and there was no dna or other testing, how would
you ensure that the oldest son is yours and not an enemies child as part
of a lifetime plot against you?
In general, that is the way we all do it. No one lets their wife be
around men in private if it can be helped. Henry the 8'th is the most
known for having more than one wife executed for adultry, real or not.
It was a common practice among nobility in Europe in the dark ages, and
not because it was true.
I agree with your pov, but it helps to put yourself in their place. They
are barely out of the bronze age for the most part.
On Yahoo.com under Most e-mailed photos there were two pictures. One was
of a Sumatran orangutan and the other was of a Afghani man. I had to
look real close to see the difference between them.
Post by bosco
If a man only has a
house and land to pass on he wants to know it is going to his son and
not another man's child. How else can a society create and enforce laws
to make is likely as possible a male child is your child?
From a high level, every woman in their country knows the rules of
married life. As stupid as it seems, if a man commits a felony crime and
is found guilty, it is possible his wife will be killed or sent to
prison for the crime.
It's good to have more than one wife for times like that. If someone
hates you they don't always go after the man, they kidnap a daughter
and rape them, then let the family kill the daughter because she was
raped.
China is a shining example of why this is so; men
Post by bosco
are more valuable for the continuation of the population than women
because men protect territory, win new territory, bring home the meat,
etc. Women bear and raise children.
I agree with you, it is not right and no one should be stoned to death,
I don't think men get stoned to death for adultery in Pakistan and
other Muslim countries. A woman doesn't have a chance if she's caught.
Post by bosco
but with all the inequities here and all over the world, it is just
another case of something that should not be allowed to happen
happening. Fortunately for us, we do not live under that system of justice.
Much of what we do here they think is barbaric or disgusting. Most of
eat with the same hand we wipe our ass with. They find that disgusting.
We eat food that is not really safe to eat, pork for instance. We waste
food, and we waste everything in general. We go to church once a week
for an hour. We have no manners to speak of.

Some of what they think about us is true. Like them, we don't ask their
permission either, nor do we care what they think. I doubt you will
find many in this ng who think they live properly. They do have the
right to live as they choose do they not?
Taq.I.To
2010-09-10 16:58:49 UTC
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Post by Cactus Pete
Post by bosco
Post by bosco
Post by bosco
Post by Tra Lala
Are professed Muslims who turn themselves into living bombs
acting out of bravery - or cowardice?
Is the rest of the world acting bravely or
cowardly by "turning the other cheek" and making
excuses for Muslims in general?
Well it is not as simple as bravery or cowardice. They have a mortal
obligation to protect their religion and way of life.
When the world was under exploration a few hundred years back, the first
people to arrive in a 'new world' after the explorers were Monks and
Priests. Thier purpose was to convert the heathen to Christianity. Jump
forward a few hundred years.
If you are a Christian you too have a moral, religious and mortal
obligation to protect Christianity at any cost, your life at that point
being of no value. It is not mentioned in a Christian Church, and it
sure is not pasted in the Sunday fliers, but it is the first and formost
Christian obligation. If you doubt this ask your Pastor or Priest. They
will fidget and mumble, but they know it is a true statement. Hence the
Crusades for example.
These Muslim Extremists have no fighter aircraft, bombers, heavy
weapons, etc, all they really have is their belief. Muslim extremists
know they are outnumbered thousands to one.
If it were you and you felt your religion was on the line, what would
you do to try and even the odds and protect your religious beliefs?
Would you become a fanatic, or decide your beliefs were all wrong and
let them go?
I'd go for blue jeans, rock and roll, and sex, but maybe not in that order...
Much better alternative for sure
It's not that I mind a stoned women, but rock is for listening, not throwing;-)
Once again from their point of view. Their laws are to ensure that a
Man's son is indeed his son, and not another man's son. Some of those
families can trace their family tree for a thousand years or more.
Their selective breeding habits haven't done them much good. In a
society like ours where there are so many bastard children around,
even if you don't publicly acknowledge the child as yours, you will
most likely want the child to succeed in life and will help them out
if you can. And when you have an affair with someone, even if a child
isn't conceived, you will usually have good feelings for them and
their family, whereas in Muslim countries they only like their own
children and relatives and to hell with everyone else unless it's
a family they want an alliance with. Arranged marriages without love
can breed contempt, anger, hatred which can translate into aggression
against non family members, and can begin a domino effect, that with
retribution and their long memories can continue until the end of time.
Post by bosco
In Europe women of note were required to wear chastity belts. In general
they were never left alone with another man, or men that were not close
family.
Close family never was a sure thing against infidelity.
Post by bosco
If you happened to have an estate of note, and it is to be passed on
only to the oldest son and there was no dna or other testing, how would
you ensure that the oldest son is yours and not an enemies child as part
of a lifetime plot against you?
In general, that is the way we all do it. No one lets their wife be
around men in private if it can be helped. Henry the 8'th is the most
known for having more than one wife executed for adultry, real or not.
It was a common practice among nobility in Europe in the dark ages, and
not because it was true.
I agree with your pov, but it helps to put yourself in their place. They
are barely out of the bronze age for the most part.
On Yahoo.com under Most e-mailed photos there were two pictures. One was
of a Sumatran orangutan and the other was of a Afghani man. I had to
look real close to see the difference between them.
Post by bosco
If a man only has a
house and land to pass on he wants to know it is going to his son and
not another man's child. How else can a society create and enforce laws
to make is likely as possible a male child is your child?
From a high level, every woman in their country knows the rules of
married life. As stupid as it seems, if a man commits a felony crime and
is found guilty, it is possible his wife will be killed or sent to
prison for the crime.
It's good to have more than one wife for times like that. If someone
hates you they don't always go after the man, they kidnap a daughter
and rape them, then let the family kill the daughter because she was
raped.
China is a shining example of why this is so; men
Post by bosco
are more valuable for the continuation of the population than women
because men protect territory, win new territory, bring home the meat,
etc. Women bear and raise children.
I agree with you, it is not right and no one should be stoned to death,
I don't think men get stoned to death for adultery in Pakistan and
other Muslim countries. A woman doesn't have a chance if she's caught.
Post by bosco
but with all the inequities here and all over the world, it is just
another case of something that should not be allowed to happen
happening. Fortunately for us, we do not live under that system of justice.
Much of what we do here they think is barbaric or disgusting. Most of
eat with the same hand we wipe our ass with. They find that disgusting.
It is generally accepted that we wash our hands before meals too.
Post by bosco
We eat food that is not really safe to eat, pork for instance.
Pork is no less safe than any other meat. Tricinosis is unheard of any more.
Post by bosco
We waste
food, and we waste everything in general.
True.
Post by bosco
We go to church once a week
for an hour.
Or not at all.
Post by bosco
We have no manners to speak of.
Sure we do, haven't you experienced retail manners?
Post by bosco
Some of what they think about us is true. Like them, we don't ask their
permission either, nor do we care what they think. I doubt you will find
many in this ng who think they live properly. They do have the right to
live as they choose do they not?
I doubt we have anyone here who bags their spouses head or is in the
midst of a simmering 400 year old blood feud.

And now that Loopy's gone the whole "wipee' mess is over with too ;-)

Islam is a death cult that destroys science, kills off innovation and
personal freedoms, and degrades women into second class citizens.

For all its so-called discipline and manners it endorses stone age
brutality as a form of embedded fear worship. It's uncivilized and
inhumane at almost every level.

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